Written by a Christian, for any Christian whose mission is to preach Flat Earth as fact because of what the Bible says. Now obviously, I have no issue with someone’s personal spiritual beliefs, and neither do colleagues who don’t share the same spiritual beliefs I do. It’s people who use their religion to deny science, and twist the narratives to suit their own claims – in this case people who use religion to believe the Earth is flat.
In this article, we go over why people who use this tactic are not doing Christianity any favors… and why they’re doing nothing but making more people think that Christians are stupid and have mental problems.
As a Christian, I believe “The Heavens declare the glory of God, and the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge” (Psalm 19:1-2). Now while I don’t necessarily use the Bible as a science book, this is one of many verses that even non-religious people see as a poetic passage regarding the universe.
As a sky observer, telescope user, and astrophotographer, I know that what we can observe and learn from the sky helps humanity understand what we’re made of and where we come from. Studying the light of objects, going over their spectrum helps us understand their properties, present elements, mass, luminosity, distance, plus grasping the math and physics behind it adds precision, and aids our understanding in how things actually work!
Just because I don’t take certain Biblical passages literally doesn’t mean I don’t retain my spiritual beliefs. To me, learning about the science IS learning about the creativity and wonder of the universe itself! While most of my intellectual colleagues do not share the same spiritual beliefs I do, they respect I keep mine out of the science discussion, and know that I do not use religion to deny scientific discoveries that lead to us understand and make sense of the origin of the universe and life as best as humanly possible.
But… The Firmament…. because, the Firmament… and oh yeah, the Firmament!
This is a word that a lot of religious flat earthers like to use. However…. constantly repeating that word doesn’t do anything of substance when going over the science discussion over the shape of the earth.
The word “firmament,” as said in the King James Version of Genesis 1:6 (“…Let there be a firmament…”) is a mistranslation of the original Hebrew word, “rāqîa,” (“…let there be rāqîa…”), which means “to beat, or spread out thinly.” Another word used instead of firmament is “expanse.” So you have one translated word that means “to spread” and many translations calling it an “expanse.” Therefore, using that mistranslated word doesn’t hold any significance in this discussion!
It’s understandable that Hebrews before the time of Ancient Greece probably did envision the earth as a flat plane under a solid dome. The Torah and the rest of the Tanakh, which Christian’s call the Old Testament, was orally recited written down on scrolls over a period of centuries before Ancient Greek philosophers began to spread the knowledge of a spherical earth surrounded by a celestial sphere. Early Christians responsible for compiling and canonizing what we officially call the Bible were accepting the Ptolemaic geocentric model of the universe, which was a SPHERICAL earth at the center!
Yes – for centuries, it was believed that the heavens surrounding Earth were in a solid state and held firm. Even when Copernicus in the sixteenth century presented the heliocentric solar system universe to account for what we observed in the sky, it was still believed that there was a solid sphere surrounding it. It was telescope observations of the stars after Galileo that ultimately proved there was no solid dome or orb surrounding us.
But Flat Earthers simply like to ignore the progression that was made beginning with the ancient Greeks… they like to ignore every piece of observation, calculation, measurement, and concrete piece of evidence that proves the Earth is a spinning globe in a heliocentric solar system and beyond. Here is usually their counter arguments when they ask people like me for the evidence:
- “Well I don’t believe it… so it’s not true…”
- “Nuh uh…”
- “No it isn’t.”
- “Well I don’t understand it… so it’s fake…”
- “But <insert Bible verse> says this…”
- “Nuh uh…”
Simply denying the evidence presented while failing to show any compelling measurements yourself ; and repeatedly quoting religious verses in a science discussion over the shape of the earth doesn’t mean you’ve won the debate, especially when you fail to answer the questions or get hostile when told why you’re wrong… that’s just acting like the pigeon in pigeon chess – where the pigeon doesn’t know the rules, and knocks the pieces over before defecating on the board and strutting around like it won.
Say what you will about the following young earth creationist advocates such as Kent Hovind, Ray Comfort, and Ken Ham; but even THEY still agree the Earth is a spinning globe… so you know flat earthers are in a different league when THEY say flat earthers are wrong!
Seriously…. STOP telling me that what I observe through my telescope and take pictures of professionally is fake! You only make yourself look like the idiot!
For people who tell me to do my own research, flat earthers surely do repeat the same claims over and over, including:
“What you see in the sky is just pretty lights in the firmament…”
People who say that, plus people who tell me that my astrophotos are nothing but “fake CGI” most likely have never tested their claims themselves… because that would require EFFORT!
I’ve observed the Rings of Saturn. I’ve seen ice caps on Mars. The two pictures above were taken with an iPhone 6 adapted onto my telescope – IT’S THAT EASY!
Jupiter’s own moons can be observed to orbit the planet through a telescope. I myself have visually watched its moons transit (cross) in front of the planet, and project a shadow on the disc of Jupiter… which means that Jupiter is not generating light – you cannot cast dark shadows on the surfaces of sources generating light! Reflecting light, yes, but not generating!
What makes astronomy and astrophotography so great is that ANYONE can learn how to do it to test their claims. If you are so sure that I am lying and that my astrophotography is fake, you can buy or build yourself actual telescope and see for yourself! And then you can adapt a camera and take long exposures to reveal details your eyes cannot see!
You know what I see when I point my telescope towards a single star? More stars. You know what happens if I point a bigger telescope towards that same group? I see MORE STARS that weren’t there before! You know what happens when I take a long exposure photograph directly through a telescope? I SEE MORE STARS!! Don’t forget about the images I’ve taken myself of comets, star clusters, nebulae and galaxies… Just check out my Astrophotography page if you don’t believe me!
IF flat earthers are so sure this firmament is there, despite people figuring out hundreds of years ago it isn’t, what’s stopping them from buying a telescope, taking long exposure pictures, and testing it out yourself?! If there is in fact a solid dome or orb in the sky surrounding us, how big of a telescope do I need before I can start seeing it? How much long exposure do I need to accumulate into my camera sensor through my telescope before I start seeing it behind all the background stars and distant galaxies that I’ve taken pictures of?!
I have already gone into great detail about the stars being the biggest case AGAINST Flat Earth in another article, so by all means go check that one out if you want to learn more on the earth’s precession and Polaris, the celestial sphere and southern stars, and equatorial telescope mounts.
You can also check out these articles if you are asking me these questions:
So Why is Flat Earth Dangerous to Christianity?
Persisting in the Flat Earth belief goes against everything that science and astronomy has progressed and proven with repeatable evidence and predictions for the past 2,000 years. What we observe with sunrises/sunsets, the moon phases, time zones, eclipses, constellations, circumpolar stars, and how equatorial telescopes work with celestial coordinates just isn’t possible over a flat earth.
If Flat Earthers are so adept in the scientific method, then they should be able to present and prove their claims with evidence and experiments that are repeatable, peer reviewed, and able to make predictions from. It’s not my problem they get the math and physics wrong, and get hostile when told so. Just simply saying, “well NASA this, secret society that, NASA lies, Genesis 1, black swan photo, blah blah blah…” again, that’s just pigeon chess.
Christian Flat Earthers who thump the Bible and constantly claim “astronomers are fake, astronomy isn’t a real science, astrophotography is fake,” etc., are just making people think that Christians are stupid and/or have mental problems. But when you think about it, wouldn’t the idea of Christians looking stupid something be conjured up by the same fallen angel whose biggest deceit is convincing the world he doesn’t exist? Is it possible that this movement was started by con men trying to see how many Christians would fall for it?
The Bible has its share of poetic and figurative passages that Flat Earthers often cite to suit their claims, including Job 38:5, 12-14, Isaiah 11:12, 40:22, and Revelation 7:1, 20:7. These are verses that talk about the “four corners/ends of the earth, circle of the earth, straight lines, etc…” that do not blatantly say the earth is flat, but are clearly misinterpreted and taken out of context!
There are NO passages outright saying the earth is flat, nor that you need to believe the earth is flat to receive salvation or “be saved” as Christianity would put it. But falling for false truths, false messiahs, and taking verses out of context is definitely warned about a lot, and is a big trap that everyone, including Christians, need to be cautious of.
Christian Flat Earthers who continue to stay on this path and lead more people into this mindset are not doing Christianity any favors. Going as far as teaching children and indoctrinating them into believing outlandish ideas like “Globe Earth equals 666/Satan,” will lead to more people who are intellectually crippled, and unable to contribute to centuries of progress and innovations towards STEM fields. They’re not making Christianity better, they’re just making gullible people more scientifically illiterate!
It can lead to a dangerous road where people dive further into conspiracies that thrive because people will just believe anything they’re told without proper research – so it’s no wonder we have our share of Anti-Vaxxers and Climate Change Deniers.
Several professed flat earthers have been exposed as pathological liars, scammers and con-men. Bob Knodel, the person featured in this infamous clip from “Behind the Curve” used to go along claiming he was a commercial pilot until he got exposed as none of the such. Flat Earthers often like to post pictures and videos of their flat earth claims with the whole “I can see this from this far away” cliché, but can easily lie about height, distance, and orientation. Here is YouTuber MCToon delivering a knockout blow to such a claim, and exposing the claimant as a criminal scammer! It may be an hour long… but trust me, it’s WORTH every minute of your time!
It also leads to unstable behaviors that cross beyond honest and respectable boundaries – the kind that would result in fists being thrown by parents defending their children! For example, one well known Flat Earth YouTuber got arrested for harassing elementary school children at a school playground, and was stupid enough to post videos of himself doing the act. Another Flat Earth YouTuber, Anthony Riley, known as Sleeping Warrior, has openly admitted to posing as a child online in attempts to preach his flat earth nonsense to other children – where is Chris Hansen when you need him?! You can watch Youtuber FTFE’s analysis of Riley’s revelation and see the evidence screenshots in FTFE’s video – language NSFW – beginning at the 5:03 mark.
It has also led to loss of life! Lets not forget about the crazy professed Flat Earther, “Mad Mike Hughes who died after his homemade rocket crashed in an attempt to “prove a flat earth,” (although Hughes’ actual beliefs have been disputed, it still led to the loss of a life because of people buying into the conspiracy!). A flat earth leader, Rob Skiba, died from covid-19 related pneumonia in 2021 because he refused a vaccine that could have saved his life – and there are more who succumbed to the disease out of ignorance and stubbornness. Perhaps we’ll one day witness a religious cult that commits suicide over the appearance of a great comet… oh wait, that actually happened in 1997.
At the end of the day, I know that no matter what I say or what evidence I produce, I won’t convince the people who are deep into this movement. But the people who have not yet fallen into this trap are still reachable, and I would be more than happy to discuss.
If you’re a Christian who is on the fence about this, I must urge you to do better research than simply listening to some stranger on YouTube with a smartphone and internet connection. They may sound like they know what they’re talking about, but for every one video claiming indisputable proof of Flat Earth, you’ll find perhaps ten videos debunking that “proof.”
Flat Earthers are becoming way too predictable, simply reciting the same things over and over, and are running out of new things to say.
Astronomy people like me have nothing to hide. We are not hiding any secret information and we would be happy to personally demonstrate how our telescopes work, and what we can observe in the sky that proves the Earth is a spinning globe. But you have to stop hiding behind your keyboard and show an open mind to learning something!
DON’T be like the clowns who comment on my social posts saying my astrophotos are fake! I can gladly show you the raw files taken directly from my camera SD cards, and if my work looks THAT good to you, then I must be doing something right!
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